Dialogue with Wilkox on anarchy, Part X

This is Part X  (yes, Part X), of a dialogue with Wilkox on anarchy. This is a response to this post. The beginning of the discussion starts here.

This is potentially the beginning of some truly productive dialogue. Freeze, you claim that killing and stealing are sometimes necessary, and that you’re comfortable with taxes and war under some circumstances. Using taxation as the working example, am I correct in thinking this implies that you agree taxation is a form of theft, but you believe that it is a form of theft which is morally justifiable? If so, can you state your moral claims regarding theft in a way which makes this exception clear, i.e. specifies the circumstances under which theft is justified?

Wilkox suggests a transcript. This is moving into some healthy ethics which I could brush up on :).

There’s one very simple thing stopping agricultural lobbies becoming powerful in an anarchic society: they would have nobody to lobby.

It could be fair to say they would form a trade union. A trade union under which everyone would essentially have to keel to their commands,as they are the only people with sufficient infrastructure to feed a nation and could under terms of anarchy refuse to give goods until demands are met. Then I suppose it could form a sort of government eventually.

Can you be specific about the awareness groups and legislation you’re talking about?

The Anti-Discrimination Act 1977 for instance.  This is a good act as it encourages good relations, multiculturalism and stops unethical practices of racism, discrimination etc. This act is a milestone for civil rights.

Suppose a group of people live together in a geographically defined area, say a valley. Another group of people are about to come into the valley and smoosh them. Can you explain why government is necessary to prevent such smooshing? Remember that the only thing which differentiates a government from a voluntary organisation is that a government uses force against innocent people to achieve its aims.

I would argue that a collective power whose aims are shared or at least carried out by everyone of that power would be a more effective force than one on equal par with many different aims and many different stripes. This is even before you can convince people voluntarily to drop what they are doing and head off to war. Historically speaking this has been the case too. Julius Caesar dropped the SPQR and the voting forums so agendas of war could be enacted much faster (later corruption proved this to be a tricky move). More recently, Acts passed by F Roosevelt  during WWII wherein the president has decision making supersede Congress continue to be implemented in times of war and still continue to be legitimate, useful and some would argue, neccessary. How manageable would this be for an entire production line of competing, jostling industries each with different agendas and human foibles? How would a war campaign be organised by a free market that would not fall under the same banners of a government establishment in their practices?

Do you feel that today’s governments are dictatorial? Riots and civil disobedience have been hallmarks of Western civilization for the past two-hundred years or so. Are these, in your eyes, valid and important changes, or simple placatings that do little to move what is really important- an anarchist society?

Wilkox’s response can be seen here

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~ by freeze43 on November 11, 2010.

One Response to “Dialogue with Wilkox on anarchy, Part X”

  1. […] is my response to part X of an ongoing dialogue with freeze43 on the topic of anarchy. Read freeze’s introductory post or […]

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